Posted by: Bradley Redder
To put it bluntly, I'd say Tim Burton is just a hack. I'll agree with you on Sweeney Todd, but only up to a certain point. I think it's a solid film, but it's one I don't think I'll ever find reason to revisit. It just feels so mechanical, like Burton directed half of it on Xanax. I don't recall much camera movement, which made it feel like Burton literally just set up a few cameras at a stage performance. I actually decided after seeing that film that I'd much rather see an interesting failure than a boring success, which is what I would call Sweeney Todd.
As for a line connecting Burton's films... They all seem to deal with a radical outcast, often very bizarre-looking. But I agree with you. He doesn't ever really seem to say anything about these characters of his. Despite the make-up, they feel flat. Barnabas, Wonka, what I remember of Sweeney, whoever you'd say the main character of Alice is... They're all just kind of boring, if not while watching them, then certainly when the movie ends.
To be perfectly honest, I really wouldn't even call many of Burton's early films masterpieces, or even very good for that matter. Pee-Wee, Ed Wood, and Edward Scissorhands are great; Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks!, and Sleepy Hollow are fun, but his Batman films are brutally dull. I remember loving them as a kid, but revisiting them as an adult is almost impossible. I tried to watch Batman a few years ago, and dozed off four or five times before I just gave up on it, and Returns is no better. Whatever credit he built up in the first half of his career has long been exhausted by Planet of the Apes and the last decade of boring redundancy.
The real shame is that he is at a point in his career where he could probably do anything he wants. He thinks he's so weird? He could make the trippiest, most disturbing, off the wall film imaginable, and he'd get a $100 million budget. But instead he takes $150 million and makes Dark Shadows! Why? Why did it need to cost that much? What did he even spend that money on? It looks good, but Jesus. It's obnoxious that his least imaginative film probably has the highest production budget... And it's a fucking comedy! I think you're right when you say that he's so focused on visual style that everything else suffers. I actually made the Johnny-Depp-as-Barnabas face when I saw the budget. It's mind-blowing. I would be willing to bet that each scene in Dark Shadows could have financed a half dozen funnier, more heartfelt comedies than Burton's film. What an asshole.
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Saturday, May 19, 2012
Entry 5: RE: "Shadows" - Sleepy (and) Hollow
Friday, May 18, 2012
Entry 4: RE: "Shadows" - It's all in the script.
Posted by: Chad Van Alstin
Let's talk about Tim Burton's other recent work for a second. I think we can both agree that Dark Shadows is absolutely better than Alice; a film that I'd say has little redeeming value at all. Without discussing each film individually, I'd have to say that the only recent film I enjoyed by Tim Burton was Sweeney Todd (2007).
The visuals in Sweeney Todd are quite typical of Burton, but the film also has a decent script. I wouldn't say it's a perfect movie, but I certainly enjoyed it. However, it's still not on par with earlier Burton works, many of which I would consider to be masterpieces.
I think the problem with Tim Burton is that he works so hard to give his films a distinct visual style that other aspects of the film suffer. Having now just re-watched Frankenweenie, it's plain to see that it's a beautiful looking short film. However, the excellent direction and photography are backed up with a solid screenplay.
So, maybe a lot of Tim Burton films suffer due to the writing -- often he isn't even credited as a screenwriter on his projects. Still, if it is the case that he has little input on scripts, then why does every other aspect of the film seem to be meticulously crafted by him?
It's strange. Auteur Theory, as I understand it, means that the director has a level of control over every aspect of the filmmaking process. It seems like Tim Burton is screaming to be an auteur with his control over cast and visuals, but the scripts have too much variety to really give him a distinct voice.
Yes, they all deal with similar subject matter, but they don't all have the same tone or feel. The dialogue in each film, the story structure in each, feels too different from film-to-film to really give Burton a set definition.
Let's talk about Tim Burton's other recent work for a second. I think we can both agree that Dark Shadows is absolutely better than Alice; a film that I'd say has little redeeming value at all. Without discussing each film individually, I'd have to say that the only recent film I enjoyed by Tim Burton was Sweeney Todd (2007).
The visuals in Sweeney Todd are quite typical of Burton, but the film also has a decent script. I wouldn't say it's a perfect movie, but I certainly enjoyed it. However, it's still not on par with earlier Burton works, many of which I would consider to be masterpieces.
I think the problem with Tim Burton is that he works so hard to give his films a distinct visual style that other aspects of the film suffer. Having now just re-watched Frankenweenie, it's plain to see that it's a beautiful looking short film. However, the excellent direction and photography are backed up with a solid screenplay.
So, maybe a lot of Tim Burton films suffer due to the writing -- often he isn't even credited as a screenwriter on his projects. Still, if it is the case that he has little input on scripts, then why does every other aspect of the film seem to be meticulously crafted by him?
It's strange. Auteur Theory, as I understand it, means that the director has a level of control over every aspect of the filmmaking process. It seems like Tim Burton is screaming to be an auteur with his control over cast and visuals, but the scripts have too much variety to really give him a distinct voice.
Yes, they all deal with similar subject matter, but they don't all have the same tone or feel. The dialogue in each film, the story structure in each, feels too different from film-to-film to really give Burton a set definition.
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